Nourishing Traditions book and other ??'s

[smfeet2001]

I have started reading this. Got it from the library. I pretty much agree with the author except for the Fats and Cholesterol.

She stated that Saturated fats are good for you as long as they come from animal fats. This contrary to the advice that the AHA and FDA administration gives out.

Also they said polyunsaturated fats are not good either but I have read everywhere that it is good because it raises your good cholesterol and lowers your bad.

They also state that the Food Pyramid is wrong. I still can't figure out what the food pyramid is according to Sally Fallon.

I really need help with this. My dh will not swallow this information. He agrees with the other stuff she is saying but not the fats or cholesterol.

Anything I can read other than Sally Fallon to back this up with solid science???

HELP!!!!! I really need help with this. I am scared of this NT diet. It seems so reeked with high fats.

I have family history of heart problems, high cholesterol, high BP and diabetes.

Right now my BP is so low that it is scary. I think I am getting narcolepsy (falling asleep at the oddest places--while driving, just sitting or standing doing nothing). My dh is concerned about me since it is a sign of serious heart problems. Should I go to the cardiologist? My Family dr told me to call him and let him know if I want to go. Anyway getting off track here. I have been diagnosed with Chronic Fatigue 4-5 years ago and it came back or it is a heart problem.

I know I am hitting you all with these questions.

My main concern is not udnerstanding the NT very well. I agree with most of it but the fats and cholesterol.

Thanks
Holly

[stackeyha]

Actually any of the low carb books out there will talk about the fats, from a scientific angle.
Also look up "The Oiling of America"...it's long but it's good...by Mary Enig (I think). www.theomnivore.com/index.html has quite a few good articles on fats...I've read some of this in The Maker's Diet and in Body by God.

All that to say, she's not coming from left field with this stuff and there are a bunch of sources when you really start looking at it.

As far as your narcalepsy...are you by chance drinking any diet soda with aspartame/splenda...I only ask because I personally have an allergy that acts this way...if not and if you have concern, heart disease is not something to guess about. That said, I would still double and triple check what your cardiologist advised to be sure it was best for you...for me my bp and bs is best on lower carb, few grains, starches and sugars, lots of protein and a good amount of fat (I use butter, olive oil and coconut oil)...or at least it was in pregnancy...

I hope this helps and sorry if it's a tad "stream of conscious"...the baby is crying and I got distracted...hmmm that sounds bad...I just nursed and Daddy is walking her to sleep but she's boxing the sandman which stresses me out.

[smfeet2001]

No diet pop here. I avoid splenda and aspartame like a plague. I do consume tea with regular sugar. I will request a referrak to a cardiologist. I had one for my pregnancy so not sure if my PCP will refer me to him or not. He said to call him if I want to go to a cardiologist. I just do not know who he has in mind.

Thanks

Holly

[smfeet2001]

BUMP!!

[Carmen]

Hmm...well I don't have anything scientific to add. I was a long time vegan when I first came upon Nourishing Traditions and was shocked and appalled by the claims of Sally Fallon. I revisited it many months later due to some health issues with my daughter and myself. I did have a hard time wrapping my brain around the information in the book since some of it is very contradictory to what I had learned before (the fats issue, raw dairy).
But the more I thought about it the more it made perfect sense to me. Really, if we look at history and what people ate it is full of animal fats. There was no such thing as a "lowfat diet", no such thing as canola oil, and many other polyunsaturated oils were not widely used. When I talk to my grandmother and my husband's grandmother they both say, almost embarrased, how they cooked in lard and bacon grease. Grandma was marveling to me recently how skim milk is so popular now and that it was considered "trash" when she was growing up. After they got the cream, the skimmed milk was thrown out for the animals...it was not even considered food for them. That's how it was passed on from generations before.
Historically, heart disease rates started climbing in the early 1900's. I don't know for sure, but somehow I doubt that it was due to an increase in animal fats in people's diets. The first few decades of the 20th century many new "foods" were introduced to our society and have began being widely used. I'm thinking specifically of hydrogenated oils like margarine and shortening. Along with a huge increase in sugar consumption over the decades and introduction of processed, refined "foods", our health has as a nation has been deteriorating.
I think the last 100 years we have been performing a mass experiment on ourselves. A very risky one at that. Instead of relying on the foods that God provided for us, we are intrigued by the new and modern things that are convenient. Most of us were raised on these things and don't even question that it might not be wise to put in in our bodies. We know that people lived relatively healthy lives in the past. Things like heart disease, cancer, diabetes were not very common. Now they are epidemic! In my (non scientific) opinion it is a result of us moving away from what was created by God for us to eat and replacing it with things created by man.

[laura]

carmen2 said:

I don't know for sure, but somehow I doubt that it was due to an increase in animal fats in people's diets. The first few decades of the 20th century many new "foods" were introduced to our society and have began being widely used. I'm thinking specifically of hydrogenated oils like margarine and shortening.

Along with a huge increase in sugar consumption over the decades and introduction of processed, refined "foods", our health has as a nation has been deteriorating.

Instead of relying on the foods that God provided for us, we are intrigued by the new and modern things that are convenient.

Most of us were raised on these things and don't even question that it might not be wise to put in in our bodies.

In my (non scientific) opinion it is a result of us moving away from what was created by God for us to eat and replacing it with things created by man.

What an excellent post!!
I have some questions!!!

The first statement I quoted about "margarine". AMEN
My dad bought some of that when it first came out, and it was YUCK. We have always been "butter" people and that stuff tasted terrible.
I am a "butter" girl myself. We use the real thing here!

The second statement I quoted about processed and refined foods.
Where can I get a book, that is a pretty easy read, that will give me alternatives to 'sugar'. We use it by the tons. I have a 25lb bag in my pantry, that sits next to my 25lb bag of flour.
What makes the flour and sugar so bad?
What flour and sugar is good?
I know the Bible speaks of "flour and oil", what flour is it referring too?

The third and fourth statement I quoted about modern conveniences / not questioning what we eat, again AMEN.
I am training the kids to read the label. If you cannot pronounce it, it's probably a chemical, and we just don't need to put that in our bodies. If it doesn't grow out of dirt, we try to steer clear.

The final statement I quoted........Amen, Amen, Amen.
No one wants to take the time. So few woman are "keepers of their homes", therefore so few young girls are being trained to be keepers.
We are a country of "instant gratification".
Everybody wants what they want RIGHT NOW. No matter if it's what is good and right for you, as long as it's "effortless and RIGHT NOW"!!

I do hope to hear answers on my sugar flour question!!

Laura

[Mom2boys]

I really like Sue Beckers articles on white sugar and white flour at www.breadbeckers.com


The big issue with white sugar is that it has all of the vitamins and minerals that are needed to digest it stripped out of it and therefore takes the vitamins and minerals from our body. It is also bleached which is just another reason not to eat it.

I will post more later when I have time.
Tina

[laura]

Very interesting site. Are there other sites that prove that what she is saying is true? I checked out what the "start up" cost was to begin making my own bread......WOW. I can buy a car for what it costs in hardware to make bread!!
It seems like it's a "business" with some information to support what they are selling??
I wish they were coming close to me so I could watch a demo / or hear a lecture!!

If there are other sites that will mirror what she says, can you post those!!

Thanks
Laura

[Dandelion]

Back to the fats - I don't know all the proof either way. But the way that I look at it is that God made animals, plants, and has given them to us for food. Margarine (??help, I don't even know how to spell it!), etc. anything man has tampered with, well, I can't trust man, and his science, which knoowledge is actually soooo limited. (and usually based on evolution, rejection of God)
We do generally cut off the chunk of fat from meat, etc., but that still leaves plenty that I am not scared of. (I don't know if really is good or not, but then how fat should animals be! Our animals are usually on the skinnier side rather than fat! so unless it's just that we don't feed them well enough, I think it could be modern agriculture???)
One fact that I do find convincing, is that our bodies, every cell, and particularly the liver, makes cholestrol! So just limiting dietry intake is not really getting to the root of the problem. Apparently cholestrol protects from poisoning (mercury, etc.) and fats are also involved in this.

[Mom2boys]

Are there other sites that prove that what she is saying is true?

Just let me know what you would like supported and I will get the info for you. You don't actually need all of the items on the start up list. To mill grain and bake bread, you could get by with a mill and a decent mixer or bread machine. Grain is cheap.

I know Sue personally and they are good, honest Christian people that God gave a vision. She does have a free CD on her website. You would have to pay shipping, but it's worth it.

The funny thing is that someone gave me a whole grain cookbook from the 1920's that mirrors what she is teaching today. Also, on her claims that whole grains will make warts go away (because of the vitamin E) : I have now seen that several times here in my own church, so I can back that one up . I also have a child that has no tonsils and it's not because of a tonsilectomy. His tonsils shrunk because he doesn't need them and this is another claim that comes from the bread. I'm not sure if it's the bread or just that he is very healthy.

[Carmen]

Where can I get a book, that is a pretty easy read, that will give me alternatives to 'sugar'. We use it by the tons. I have a 25lb bag in my pantry, that sits next to my 25lb bag of flour.
What makes the flour and sugar so bad?
What flour and sugar is good?
I know the Bible speaks of "flour and oil", what flour is it referring too?

Laura,

White table sugar is a highly refined and processed product. There is no nutritional value whatsoever and it is actually very detrimental to our health. There are several good alternatives to white sugar that work well and taste delicious. First, there are 2 natural sugars: sucanat and rapadura. These are both made by simply extracting the juice from the sugar cane, dehydrating it and granulating it. Nothing is removed and nothing is added. They both substitute cup for cup in baking. They are available at health food stores/natural food stores. Raw honey and pure maple syrup are also good natural sweetners. Of course, even natural sugars should be used in moderation.

Flour...well the Breadbeckers site has a lot of great information. You ask what is wrong with the flour in your pantry...it is probably devoid of nutritional value. White flour (even "unbleached" flour) is processed to have the bran and the germ removed. This is crazy from a nutritional standpoint since that's where ALL the nutrition is! It is great for making light, fluffy bread...but as far as nourishing our bodies it is worthless. Grain is very easy to mill yourself and freshly milled grain is very high in several important vitamins.

As far as which flour the Bible refers to I don't know. But I can tell you that it most likely was not the highly processed, refined, bleached, nutritionally void stuff that we can buy on the grocery store shelves.

[laura]

admin said:

I know Sue personally and they are good, honest Christian people that God gave a vision. She does have a free CD on her website. You would have to pay shipping, but it's worth it.

I would be willing to pay the S&H for a cd!!

It's good that you know these people personally, that way you can "vouch" for them. I am a very "reserved" person, who needs a lot of hard evidence and usually a face to face meeting with someone before I can vouch for them!!

What she has on her site ( how all of the refined food and junk like that is bad for us ) is amazing stuff, and it is basically my belief too. What amazes me is that paid doctors don't pass this kind of information along.....when it's so simple to cure / fix so many ailments, they prescribe drugs instead?

I have a kitchen aid stand mixer, and you can buy the grain mill attachment for it.......would that be sufficient?

If what Sue is saying is true, switching my bread from store bought to home made should make a difference that we can SEE. I don't want to go out and spend a huge chunk of money only to find out that it makes no difference!!

Laura

[JCsMomma]

Laura,
I have to tell you that when the Lord first started laying this on my heart, I was a bit overwhelmed as well. It is a rather large investment at first, but believe me, the payoff is well worth it and in the long run, you will be saving money and improving the lives of you and your family.
Not to be too descriptive... but..
My boys and I have always had bowel movement issues. They have always had diarreha or been constipated. Nothing in between. I started all of this earlier this year and they have been regular (me too!) since then. All I started out changing was the bread. Now we make cookies (that they love and I sneak in TONS of good stuff) as well as cinnamin rolls and other types of baked goods. It does take some getting used to, but it is worth every bit of time and money.
As far as the warts go, I have always had a few on my thumb and now they are just about completely gone.
I would also highly recommend the cd... you will be amazed at all of the information Sue shares!

Cherise