What happens?

[Dandelion]

When the body starts taking calcium from the bones, doesn't the phosphorus(acidic) come out with it. so what happens?

[Mom2boys]

If I don't get to this by tomorrow afternoon, please bump it up for me. I'm going to quote from the book, but I'm trying to finish a course by Monday, so I'm short on time right now.

[Dandelion]

Looking forward to the answer!

[Mom2boys]

Thanks for bumping that for me. I have women's ministry this morning, but I'll try to write it up before I go.

[Mom2boys]

I'm not sure if I'm going to answer your question , but I will write what I know. Basicly inorganic calcium(the pills we take) are not useable by the body. There are two sources of organic calcium. One is alkaline foods. The other is bones. Bothe of these sources put TEXTusableTEXT calcium into the bloodstream.

Inorganic calcium is close enough to the real thing that it is stored even though it can't be used. It's like the clothes in the closet that don't quite fit yet.They add to the wardrobe so it appears that there is a vast supply but the unusable items in the closet are just closet pollutants. The same thing with calcium supplements.

I can write more about inorganic calcium later if you want me to.

No amount of natural calcium from alkaline foods will be enough to stem the tide of bone loss if you eat too much protein. The body's ability to neutralize the acid ash from excess protein can be overwhelmed. The amount of calcium you take in isn't the major factor in developing or warding off osteoporosis. It's the amount of acid ash your body mus neutralize that's the determining factor.

Phosphorous is essential. They do the following
1. are essential to the proper functioning of the body
2. work in their own buffer system
3. add to the acid level of the body

We get it from fresh grains, fruits and veggies. This is the type of phosphorous that can be used to regulate internal PH.
We get tightly bonded inorganic phosphorous in the form of phosphouric acid when protein fods are digested. Phosporic acid is a stron acid that must be neutralized in order to be eliminated. You also get a large dose of it from soda. If there isn't enough sodium to buffer it, calcium will be used.

So , to answer your question , "I think", if phosphorous is pulled from the bone with calcium, it would be the good phosphorous that is useable. It seems that just like calcium, we can have two different types of phosphourous hanging out in our bodies. One good and one bad.

I hope this answered you. I can write more later, but I have to get ready for Bible Study now. I highly reccommend Fell's Official Know It All Guide to Health and Wellness. He explains things very clearly.

[Dandelion]

That does answer it! Once again it is the form of the mineral. (I"m thinking like flouride. What they put in town water is sodium flouride (I think?) which is not good, but we do need flouride, as calcium flouride, as in plants.)
Then there's the colloidal/elemental form. You aren't refering to that, are you? Plants and coral, oyster grit and egg shells would be colloidal, whereas dolomite is elemental and only about 1/3 absorbed.
When you say, soda, which do you mean? Fizzy drink?

[Mom2boys]

Hey Dandelion, you wanna come work at the Wellness Center with me? You are on the ball. The only calcium that the body uses is that from foods that we eat. I am not familiar with colloidal at this point in my studies. When you lump plants in with that it makes me wonder. I'll see if I can get some answers .

Yes, soda is coke and Pepsi or other fizzy drinks.

[Dandelion]

You're group sounds neat, if I ever get to visit your area I sure would want to see you. But as that is extremely unlikely as far as I can see into my future, I will have to settle with the internet! b.t.w I'm in New Zealand.

This is what i've heard about colloidal minerals.
www.american-longevity.com/

[stackeyha]

I'm really not arguing here...but there is something that I don't understand.

You see, I'm a big vitamin taker...have been for several years now...and my Calcium/Magnesium/Zinc is one that I wouldn't be without on purpose.

In my first pregnancy I ate terribly and had these horrible charlie horses, so my friend said, "Hey you should take some Cal/Mag/Zinc" so I did, within 2 days of taking them...no more charlie horses...not one...and I'd been having them EVERY night for weeks and at least a couple of them a week for weeks before that.

I kinda sloughed off taking them between babies...my diet was a little better with my second pregnancy and I didn't have any charlie horses...BUT around 5 months pregnant my bones just hurt...I didn't know about what was wrong with my back at the time...but even then I'm sure it was seriously tweaked. Okay, so I thought...hmm maybe I should try the Cal/Mag/Zinc...sure enough...all better at least until the VERY end of my pregnancy where I had reached a whopping 217 lbs and was just too big for my own bones.

Fast forward to this baby...I never stopped taking the Cal/Mag/Zinc on purpose...my diet is the best it's been so far and still if I miss a couple days on accident for whatever reason I can feel it.

Now lest you think...ah Stack that's the Magnesium (which to some degree it could be)...

Sarah has started having growing pains periodically. As we are mostly no dairy and at 6 her veggie intake is NOT what it should be no matter how I try...I supplement calcium...it's the chew Viactive and it has Calcium and Vitamin D, no magnesium. Well a few weeks ago we ran out...and I didn't think anything of it and so didn't have any in the house...after about a week...Sarah started complaining about her legs hurting so bad. Well I thought about it and decided it couldn't hurt to give her some calcium...ran out and grabbed some...came home gave her 2 chews (500 mg each)...waited about 2 hours and gave her 1 more...by lunch time she was FINE...this from the kid who couldn't / wouldn't walk down the stairs for pancakes that morning....after lunch she went out and ran the bases with her Daddy.

So while I understand what you are saying, and I don't disagree that it could happen that way. That is not how it seems to be working in my itty bitty case study.

Any comments on why it's working this way. You have way more scientific info in your hands than I do and I would love to understand this.

Thanks.

[Mom2boys]

Hmmm. Stack. I'm really good at saying "I don't know" when I don't. I am still really learning all of this. Where does the calcium you are using come from? Dandelion was saying something about the source of the calciums being different. Perhaps there is some truth to that. I do know that the studies regarding acid/alkaline balance are saying that supplemental forms of calcium will not be useable in neutralizing food acid. It sounds like you have quite the clinical study going there I do a lot of those in my house. If it's working , keep doing it.

[stackeyha]

In the morning I'll check for you...I fell down this morning and hurt my ankle and with that and the standard WOW-am-I-pregnant swelling...I'm off my feet.

Since I have two different ones maybe that'll tell us something...I didn't realize calcium might be coming from different sources.

[Dandelion]

O.K. my thoughts (whether right or not)

Rereading whats been said, I think what you called organic/inorganic calcium is probably the same thing as colloidal v.s elemental/metallic (rock).

I understand that the body needs them in colloidal form. Plants can convert rock minerals in soil, and make them into colloidal (tiny particles). That's what we are designed to eat. When we take elemental minerals, like in most pills, only about 1/3 is absorbed.

What I am wondering now, putting these info sources together is, is this 1/3 the extra clothes in the closet. Is it absorbed as calcium, the body regconizing it as such, and knowing it needs it, but it is not able to convert it to colloidal/useable form? I always assumed before that the body could and did convert the 1/3 first, before storage, but I'm not sure that I didn't assume that myself.

It would mean that all the inorganic/metallic calcium is being used to fill the bones and good calcium already stored there is taken out to stop the deficiency symptoms of the body, but once the supply of good calcium runs out, we could come to a point where we have aches and pains, athritis, etc, and can't do much about it (except take colloidal minerals - those from plant origin). I'm not sure if that's exactly right, it's just my conclusion, but do you get the idea that's in my head?! It would mean, that not all calcium that is in bones is useable.